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Jared Moskowitz
stated on September 19, 2024 in a House hearing:
“Project 2025 wants to get rid of NOAA” and the National Weather Service.
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A woman walks with her dog through floodwaters from Hurricane Helene on Sept. 27, 2024, in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP)
By Amy ShermanSeptember 26, 2024
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- Project 2025, the conservative policy blueprint for a Republican administration, said the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration "should be broken up and downsized."
The document doesn’t explicitly call for getting rid of the National Weather Service, but it says it should "fully commercialize its forecasting operations."
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As Florida braced for Hurricane Helene, some weather and politics observers were mad about Project 2025.
"Reminder that Project 2025 would dismantle the National Weather Service and NOAA," wrote the League of Conservation Voters on X.
NOAA is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, founded in 1970.
"As Florida prepares for a major hurricane to make landfall this week, don’t forget that Donald Trump’s Project 2025 would eliminate the National Weather Service and NOAA," Brian Tyler Cohen, a liberal YouTube influencer, posted on Instagram.
We heard a similar statement about Project 2025 from U.S. Rep. Jared Moskowitz, D-Fla., during a Sept. 19 House Oversight Committee hearing.
"Project 2025 wants to get rid of NOAA, wants to get rid of the National Weather Service — the people that tell you the weather and help you prepare for hurricanes," said Moskowitz, a past Florida emergency management director under Gov. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla.
Moskowitz quipped about how hurricane forecasting would function under Project 2025 and a Trump administration.
"Maybe we will just do it with a Magic 8 ball or maybe with a Ouija board. Or maybe we will do hurricane cones like President Trump did, right where he just circled in another state that wasn’t in the cones," Moskowitz said.
Moskowitz’s swipe at Trump referred to a Sharpie-doctored map Trump displayed in 2019, when he falsely said all hurricane models predicted Dorian would hit Alabama. (And Moskowitz wasn’t the first to come up with that Magic 8 ball line.)
Partisan jostling aside, what does Project 2025 say about NOAA and the National Weather Service?
A Moskowitz spokesperson, Keith Nagy, said "while Project 2025 does not call for the complete dismantling of the NOAA, it intends to undermine the agency's independence from the executive branch and eliminate many of its internal departments. Any threats toward the NOAA or NWS jeopardizes life-saving information about hurricanes, heat waves, and other extreme weather events."
A NOAA spokesperson declined to comment.
Project 2025 calls for breaking up NOAA, commercializing forecast operations
Project 2025 is the conservative Heritage Foundation’s policy blueprint for a Republican administration. Trump has disavowed it, but it was written by several former Trump administration officials. In 2022, when Trump gave a keynote speech at a Heritage event in Florida, he said the organization would "lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do."
Project 2025 includes about four pages on NOAA and the National Weather Service. That part was written by Thomas F. Gilman, who was an official in Trump’s Commerce Department.
The document describes NOAA as a primary component "of the climate change alarm industry" and said it "should be broken up and downsized."
The National Weather Service, one of six NOAA offices, provides weather and climate forecasts and warnings. The National Hurricane Center is part of the National Weather Service within NOAA.
Project 2025 would not outright end the National Weather Service. It says the agency "should focus on its data-gathering services," and "should fully commercialize its forecasting operations."
It said that "commercialization of weather technologies should be prioritized to ensure that taxpayer dollars are invested in the most cost-efficient technologies for high quality research and weather data." Investing in commercial partners will increase competition, Project 2025 said.
Project 2025 also said the National Weather Service should become a "performance-based organization" held accountable for achieving specific results, even if the head of the agency must "deviate from government rules" to achieve those results.
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The document said little about the National Hurricane Center. It said the administration should "review the work of the National Hurricane Center" and that "data collected by the department should be presented neutrally, without adjustments intended to support any one side in the climate debate."
Experts criticized plans in Project 2025
We asked several experts who are familiar with the NOAA and the National Weather Service’s work about Moskowitz’s statement. They said Project 2025 doesn’t call for the National Weather Service’s termination, but limits its work.
Craig Fugate served as former President Barack Obama’s administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and as then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s emergency management director. He recently served on a federal advisory committee, the Space Weather Advisory Group under NOAA.
"While Project 2025 doesn't call for the elimination of the NWS, it places restrictions on research, climate products, and potentially limiting access to the NWS forecasters and centers such as the National Hurricane Center," Fugate said.
Private sector criticism of the National Weather Service isn’t new, Fugate said.
A 2005 bill by then-Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., Fugate said, would have eliminated the free dissemination of weather information provided by the National Weather Service. The bill drew no co-sponsors and foundered.
Rick Thoman, an Alaska climate specialist at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, said Project 2025’s vague language made it difficult to assess whether it called for eliminating NOAA and the National Weather Service. But "the intent is clearly to cripple public weather forecasting," he said.
Thoman cited examples of Project 2025’s vague phrasing on the National Weather Service:
"Should focus on its data-gathering services." Thoman asked whether that means doing nothing but data gathering. If so, then the weather and climate models produced continuously by the National Weather Service that private companies rely on would go away, he said.
"Should fully commercialize its forecasting operations." Thoman asked whetherthat means the National Weather Service should charge for forecasts or abandon weather forecasting entirely.
Although Project 2025 seems to push collaboration with the private sector, that already happens. Private entities, including TV forecasters and AccuWeather, use NOAA data, Rachel Cleetus, policy director in the climate and energy program at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said. (AccuWeather said it did not support what Project 2025 recommended.)
"The reality is NOAA and the National Weather Service are already working with a lot of commercial partners so it is unclear what exactly is the intention there," Cleetus said.
She also said dismantling NOAAcould render the agency ineffective.
"The idea that it could be broken up and somehow still be able to do this essential work, it won’t be possible," Cleetus said.
Our ruling
Moskowitz said, "Project 2025 wants to get rid of NOAA" and the National Weather Service.
Project 2025 has a few pages about NOAA and the National Weather Service and some of its phrasing is vague.
But it does call for major changes. It described NOAA as a primary component "of the climate change alarm industry" and said it "should be broken up and downsized."
It doesn’t explicitly call for getting rid of the National Weather Service, but it says it should "fully commercialize its forecasting operations."
We rate this statement Half True.
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PolitiFact Staff writer Madison Czopek contributed to this fact-check.
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House committee on oversight and accountability, Video of hearing, Sept. 19, 2024
Acyn, X post, Sept. 19, 2024
League of Conservative Voters, X post, Sept. 26, 2024
Brian Tyler Cohen, Instagram post, Sept. 24, 2024
Miami Herald, X post, Sept. 25, 2024
CooknColorado, X post, July 6, 2024
AccuWeather, AccuWeather Does Not Support Project 2025 Plan to Fully Commercializing NWS Operations; NOAA has Critical Role in American Weather Enterprise, July 10, 2025
PBS, Nation’s top weather and climate service faces potential political storm, Sept. 22, 2024
Los Angeles Times, Project 2025 plan calls for demolition of NOAA and National Weather Service, July 28, 2024
Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Project 2025 targets National Weather Service over climate science, Aug. 15, 2024
Snopes, 'Trump's Project 2025' Calls for Eliminating National Weather Service? July 9, 2024
The Atlantic, The MAGA Plan to End Free Weather Reports, July 16, 2024
Sierra Club, What Would Happen to Science if the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Were Broken Up? Aug. 21, 2024
PolitiFact, Trump said ‘almost all models predicted’ Dorian would hit Alabama. He’s wrong, Sept. 5, 2024
PolitiFact, Fact-checking Trump’s falsehoods about Hurricane Dorian, Updated Sept. 4, 2019
Heritage Foundation, Statement to PolitiFact, Sept. 26, 2024
Email interview, Keith Nagy, spokesperson for Rep. Jared Moskowitz, D-Fla., Sept. 26, 2024
Email interview, Craig Fugate, consultant and former FEMA director, Sept. 26, 2024
Email interview, Kerry A. Emanuel, MIT professor of atmospheric science, Sept. 26, 2024
Email interview, Rachel Cleetus, policy director, Climate and Energy Program, Union of Concerned Scientists, Sept. 26, 2024
Email interview, Rick Thoman, Alaska Climate Specialist at the Alaska Center for Climate Assessment and Policy, International Arctic Research Center/University of Alaska Fairbanks, Sept. 26, 2024
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